Judge hears arguments in challenge to Obama birth status

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SANTA ANA — Lawyers seeking President Barack Obama’s removal from office, claiming he was not born in the United States, took their case Monday to the Santa Ana courtroom of U.S. District Court Judge David O. Carter.

Rancho Santa Margarita-based attorney Orly Taitz and Ramona-based lawyer Gary G. Kreep have a number of legal hurdles ahead of them, including showing that Carter has the jurisdiction to hear such a case.

Carter seemed skeptical that his courtroom — or any courtroom — was the appropriate place to unseat the president, but said he would rule on the arguments at an undetermined date.

Carter repeatedly said he also was concerned about legal standing in the case, meaning Kreep and Taitz must show their clients suffered some harm or injury.

Under heightened security, the hearing on the Department of Justice’s motion to dismiss the case drew an overflow crowd, leading court officials to set up a TV feed in a neighboring court room for onlookers.

The proceedings were interrupted by occasional applause when Taitz and Kreep made their arguments. Carter said he did not want to “chill the enthusiasm” of the audience, but he admonished Taitz for encouraging readers of her blog to phone his office.

“You should know I’m not accepting those phone calls. They’re going to an answering machine and a secretary is deleting them,” Carter said.

The day started with Carter denying Kreep’s motion to sever his case from Taitz’s. Kreep represents Wiley Drake, who ran for vice president under the American Independent Party, and Markham Robinson, the chairman of the American Independent Party.

Taitz represents Capt. Pamela Barnett and other military officers who question orders from the commander in chief. She has done the same elsewhere in the country and has failed, most recently in a Georgia court where U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land rejected the lawsuit Taitz filed on behalf of Capt. Connie Rhodes, a physician who was fighting her assignment to Iraq.

In his motion to sever their cases, Kreep said, “Dr. Taitz has filed increasingly convoluted pleadings that do not adequately address the injury of plaintiffs, nor do anything but confuse the issues presented.”

Department of Justice attorneys Roger West and David DeJute argued that only Congress can remove a president through impeachment and that the only way the courts get involved is having the chief justice of the Supreme Court preside over the impeachment trial.

Otherwise, the country would be “crippled” if a lone judge could undo an election, West said.

Carter quizzed Taitz as to why she waited until Inauguration Day to file her lawsuit when it was too late to have the Electoral College go against the popular vote. Taitz said problems she had with her clients and with Kreep made it impossible for her to file sooner.

Saturday, Oct 31 at 8:58 PM Norther wrote ...

You people are laughable. Even the GOP doesn't believe in your crap anymore.

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Tuesday, Oct 27 at 11:47 PM SilentNoMore wrote ...

Since the issue could easily be resolved by unsealing and posting his documents that cover his past, the only answer can be that he is hiding something. Anybody with common sense can see that. And yet, he so far has paid his attorney's over a million $$$$ to keep Americans from seeing proof of his past. There is something wrong with anybody who doesn't say WHY and SHOW ME your darn documents. All other POTUS's have.

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Thursday, Oct 15 at 1:08 PM Mike to GaryB and the other LeftRight Robots wrote ...

Obviously you are either on the payroll of these liars or you are incredibly lazy and hypnotized. The evidence is staggering against Obama and that is why ALL of his records have been sealed. He spent millions of dollars to seal them too you idiot! Why don't you at least try to have some integrity and look at the evidence, maybe then will any of your ridiculous comments have any significance on this subject. Or you can be a 'Repeater' like most of you left or right wing robots. Traitor!

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Thursday, Oct 15 at 1:08 PM Mike to GaryB and the other LeftRight Robots wrote ...

Obviously you are either on the payroll of these liars or you are incredibly lazy and hypnotized. The evidence is staggering against Obama and that is why ALL of his records have been sealed. He spent millions of dollars to seal them too you idiot! Why don't you at least try to have some integrity and look at the evidence, maybe then will any of your ridiculous comments have any significance on this subject. Or you can be a 'Repeater' like most of you left or right wing robots. Traitor!

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Monday, Oct 12 at 4:33 PM cion wrote ...

DE@TH to BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA alias BARRY SOETORO

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Saturday, Oct 10 at 1:52 PM cion wrote ...

DEMOCrat: BARACK BARRY HUSSEIN MOHAMED ABDULLAH SOETORO ONYANGO 0BAMA ILLEGAL ALIEN, mombassa kenya

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Friday, Oct 9 at 4:49 PM VOIP1 wrote ...

The DOJ motion to dismiss is a direct admission that Obama is a usurper by not being Constitutionally elligible. The statement that a lone judge could undo an election admits that discovery of the facts will bring down Soetoro. If the hidden documents would not prove Soetoro to be a usurper, the DOJ statement no longer makes logical sense.

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Friday, Oct 9 at 1:04 PM From the SHOW ME STATE wrote ...

BATTLE HYMN OF THE UNSINKABLE BIRTHERS! (Sung to the tune of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic") Mine eyes have not yet seen Obama's birth certificate. It is hidden in a vault Where only God's Right Hand can get. Obama's C. O. L. B. is a Lousy counterfeit. It's truth we're marching for!!!! Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!! Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!! Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!! It's truth we're marching for!!!!

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Wednesday, Oct 7 at 7:08 PM ds wrote ...

It's time for Mr Obama to produce his long form BC, college, draft, passport records. This hiding behind expensive attorneys is a joke.

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Tuesday, Oct 6 at 1:16 PM GaryB wrote ...

What a waste of taxpayer dollars. Even if you don’t trust the state of Hawaii saying that Obama’s birth certificate is legit, a Honolulu newspaper published a birth announcement in 1961 -- how do you explain that one? With absolutely no credible evidence that he was born outside the US, I have to conclude that the birthers are either sore losers or absolute idiots.

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Tuesday, Oct 6 at 3:03 AM Fritz wrote ...

The longer this charade goes on, the more harm will be done to the US. If Obama is not a natural born US citizen, he needs to be removed from office ASAP. It looks like the fix is in.

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