The Soulvine: Standoff at 2nd Baptist

By BETTY PLEASANT, Contributing Editor

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The Rev. William Epps, the heretofore well regarded pastor of the venerable Second Baptist Church, has completely lost his mind and his dementia put his members in a situation fraught with potential violence and injury Sunday and created for me the most exciting church experience I’ve ever had: Epps called the police on 66 of his members who were holding a business meeting in the sanctuary of the church — and the police came!! Lord, have mercy!

The details as to what the meeting was about and what business transpired can be found in the news pages of this Wave issue, but here in Soulvine I want to provide the color commentary as to what occurred before the meeting started. You needed to have been there to believe it, but I’ll do my best.

Pressed by a petition of more than the required 50 church members, LaVon Gilmore, chairman of the Board of Trustees and president of the church corporation, called a business meeting of the members to immediately follow the church’s 11 a.m. service. At the conclusion of the service, Pastor Epps, who was hired and can be fired by the membership, announced from the pulpit that no meeting of the members will be held. He did the benediction and bid the congregation adieu. He left the sanctuary, but 66 of his members (plus me, making 67 people) remained in place for the meeting and began settling down to take care of some really bad business that has been roiling the church for more than a year.

Epps didn’t want them to meet. So, Epps brought in the Black gestapo who tried to make them vacate the church. Some Black guy got up in the pulpit and told the members they had to leave because the pastor did not want them there. He maintained it is Epps’ church and Epps wanted the people out. This guy, who refused to give me his name, identified himself as an LAPD cop, and, as it turned out, he is a cop, is a member of Second Baptist and was off-duty.

He kept ordering the people out of the church, and they were boisterously steadfast in their refusal to leave. There was a lot of angry shouting going on between the cop and the people. The members challenged the cop at every turn, gave no quarter and resolved to remain in those pews for the rest of their lives, if they had to. Then the frazzled off-duty cop said: “I can make a call and have 50 LAPD officers come in here and make you leave!” The members shouted, “Do it!!” Things were pretty hot at this point and I was giddy with excitement, as visions of Pulitzer Prizes and lawsuits danced in my head.

Then, the off-duty cop stormed out and called for his “50 LAPD cops” to remove us, and three uniformed on-duty White officers swaggered into the sanctuary like they owned the place. They were two relatively decent, normal-sized cops and one little puny obnoxious one who tried to intimidate us. He stood before us scowling, with his hand on his nightstick and had the ignorant gall to pronounce: “We’re here to decide if this meeting is lawful, or not. That’s our job!” (Can you believe that?!)

I said to myself: “This little runt is going to create a riot in here. He’s going to hit somebody with that stick and these people are going to fight back and it’s going to be glorious! I’m going to win a Pulitzer for my spot news story about White LAPD cops beating up a bunch of Black people inside the oldest Black church in the city!” And since I was sitting in the front row right in front of the nasty little cop, I figured I’d receive one of the first blows and then I’d sue the city of Los Angeles and end up with a really nice settlement and then I can get the new roof I need for my house, all thanks to this dumb ass Napoleon and this crazy preacher. Ain’t life grand?!

To my great disappointment, cooler cop heads prevailed and the sergeant who was present deemed that whatever was going on in that church was a civil matter and did not concern the LAPD. He gathered his other two officers and left without a single blow being struck. I was so sad. As soon as I got home, I called Fred Booker, special assistant to Chief Charlie Beck, to report the mess to the chief. After a cursory investigation, Beck and them confirmed that everything I reported was true, then apologized for its having happened and promised to deal with it in-depth Monday morning. Asst. Chief Earl Paysinger called me Monday afternoon to relate the status of the LAPD’s investigation of their on-duty and off-duty cops (see news story). Paysinger said: “You were lucky that a sergeant was present and nothing stupid happened.” The way I see it, I am not rich because a sergeant was present and nothing stupid happened.

PRO BONO? — Councilman Bernard Parks has been sued for almost $150,000 allegedly owed to the popular Valley-based political consultant John Shallman for the work he did in leading Parks’ disastrous supervisorial campaign against Mark Ridley-Thomas. In the breach of contract lawsuit filed Friday, Shallman claims that not only did Parks fail to pay him the agreed upon sum for working his campaign, but has not reimbursed him for his own money which he spent that helped Parks survive the 2007 primary to face Ridley-Thomas in the runoff, where Ridley-Thomas beat him like he stole some money ... oops!

DATEBOOK — State Sen. Curren Price will hold an informational hearing of the Select Committee on Procurement to examine the certification process for small, minority, veteran and women-owned businesses Thursday from 9:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. in the State Capitol. If you have time, you need to get somebody up there. Information: (916) 651-4026.

The Rancho Cienega Tennis Club, reportedly the largest Black tennis club in the city, will host the 12th annual Jackie Tatum Tennis Classic from Friday to Sunday. The USTA-sanctioned event will feature adult and junior tennis players and will take place at the Arthur Ashe Tennis Center, 5001 S. Rodeo Blvd.; Jim Gilliam Park, 4000 S. LaBrea; Edward Vincent Park, 700 Warren Lane in Inglewood, and the Challengers Boys and Girls Club, 5029 S. Vermont Ave. The event is open to the public. The late Jackie Tatum was well known in the community, as she was the first African-American general manager of the city’s Department of Parks and Recreation.

Councilman Herb Wesson’s “Movies in the Park” summer series will feature the 7 p.m. showing of “Gay Pur-ee,” on July 9 in Reynier Park, 2803 Reynier Ave. As always, it’s free!

NAEJA, the National Association for Equal Justice, will hold an emergency town hall meeting July 10 at 2 p.m. in the Elks Club at 11160 Washington Place in Culver City to discuss and develop strategies to deal with excessive police force, community policing, racial profiling, police hiring practices and the reduction of homicides in Culver City. Federal and county law enforcement officials have been invited to participate, as well as the elected leaders of the city of Culver City, members of the Culver City Police Department and Frances Prizzia, the young attorney who witnessed the Culver City Police killing of Lejoy Grissom.

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Why? said on Sunday, Aug 8 at 7:51 PM

Why has SBC’s website been disabled (suspended)? It had a wonderful summary of the church’s illustrious history. Aaaahhh glory days...

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2nd Baptist Nightmare said on Wednesday, Aug 4 at 5:17 PM

2nd Baptist Church is open, but all is not well!!! There are evil spirits in high places there lying to the members and blinding all those who attend. Guard your souls and your hearts - Find a church that worships Christ in spirit and in truth. You won't be able to do that at 2nd Baptist.

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Second Baptist Is Open & All is Well said on Wednesday, Aug 4 at 3:17 PM

Second Baptist has not closed it doors and invite you to attend this Sunday in celebrating of the Lord. Join us at 8 a.m., 11 a.m. or both. Hope to see you there to get the Holy Spirit.

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Real Talk said on Monday, Jul 12 at 7:51 PM

Second Baptist present yourselves as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God which is your reasonable service. That means the least you could do is put God First and seek the Holy Spirit's guidance on Epps and the others. We must be about our father's business; that's saving souls. This mess is a distraction sponsored by the enemy and presented by some silly people. Epps have some dignity; Step down and save the pride. God will know if your heart is on Him and He will restore according to His will.

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Clarice Holmes said on Friday, Jul 9 at 7:11 AM

This is a sad state of affairs for the church community and the integrity of Rev. Epps. Prayer is in order for all concerned. Remember none of us is without sin, and repentance is an on-going thing all Christians must do!

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Absolutely Stunned! said on Wednesday, Jul 7 at 9:38 AM

Wow, I thought St. Paul Baptist Church had it bad under Ward. But Second Baptist Church appears to be coming up a strong contender for total implosion under Epps. Too bad. Sad to see and hear.

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Flawless Love said on Tuesday, Jul 6 at 7:14 PM

News Headliner….. Los Angeles’ Historical Second Baptist Church has closed it doors and the building (s) are now in the hands of an unknown investment group. Why? SBCLA church family has decided that it was better to stay in the pig pen of deception and greed than to clean the house and do what Jesus did; Jesus went into the temple and began to drive out those who bought and sold in it, saying to them, "It is written, 'My house is a house of prayer, but you have made it a 'den of thieves.'" Why would a church family such as SBCLA decline to change the direction of the church, when it is clear that the church is in imminent danger? Could it be that the shepherd of the house is truly a hireling? What is hiding here… money, women, and alcohol… money? All the makings of a good reality show; police, people on the run, lawyers on the take or just taking, dark meetings, lock doors, the other woman, brown nosers and God’s sincere followers who just don’t get it. Pray Church.

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Flawless Love said on Tuesday, Jul 6 at 6:05 PM

Look here SBCLA: There was a man, who in the freezing cold, encounter a beautiful snake, who was cold and near death. The man saw the snake and looked for ways to go around, as not to bother the snake. But the snake, seeing the man, mustard enough energy to call out to the man, The snake said “ Dear sir, please put me in you bosom and let me get warm; I am freezing and about to die”. The man said “No, you are a snake and will bite me for sure” The snake assured the man by saying, “Not so, I am about to die; you are my only hope.” With that, the man picked up the snake and carefully placed him in side his shirt to get warm. Seconds later, the snake bit the man. The man yelled, you bit me, you said you would not bite me. The snake warmly replied, “that was then, this is now; I a snake, that’s what I do” SBCLA… you have warmed the snake so long and now he has biten you. Why are you surprised…. Look across town- they have a snake problem too! But he’s a charmer.

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Anonymous said on Tuesday, Jul 6 at 9:03 AM

Having been through a big church mess before, I can share that 2nd Baptist is in for a long haul and a hurting one. There are always 2 sides to every story and unfortunately most of the time it takes a court to hear both sides and make a decision. I ill be praying for 2nd Baptist.

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Lord Have Mercy!!! said on Monday, Jul 5 at 9:08 PM

Why didn't the pastor want the members to have a meeting?? Thank GOD You were present Ms Pleasant, We have the right to Question Authority and He has made it his business not to answer any question concerning church business. These Questions pertain to the business of the Church and, Members who Tithe and, Give have a right to know "Wheres the Money??? This is not a Dictatorship. He does not own the church. Yet to read the rainting of a Crazy man, makes me cause and sing the same anthem Pastor EPPS Needs to Go!!! He needs to be removed or we will not have a Second Baptist Church. It appears to me that he is trying to surpress the truth until there is no more church and that is a frightful thought. Send that Detroit Thug away!! Pastor (if you could call him one)EPPS has to go!!!!!

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Anonymous Too said on Monday, Jul 5 at 8:52 PM

The pastor is at the root of this mess, because congregations don't act like this for no reason. This pastor has been at this church for more than 22 years without incident. It's obvious that he has done something to warrant their anger and distrust, and it is obvious that he distains these members. For a shepherd of a church to put his members in harms way like Pastor Epps did on June 27th by threatening his members with physical harm from LAPD and off duty law enforcement officers, is horrendous and unthinkable, and for that alone, he should be fired! This is not about power, but about behavior that's unbecoming of a pastor whose actions are so contrary to that of Jesus Christ, it's an insult to the people of God and the Almighty Himself!

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Anon said on Sunday, Jul 4 at 8:38 AM

The leader, at all times has to shun the very appearance of misconduct and this one has not.

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Anonymous said on Sunday, Jul 4 at 7:54 AM

The root of this mess is not that the "pastor called the police on 66 mostly elderly members." The root is that there is a power struggle between the pastor, members who don't support him (66 members mention in the story) and all the other members of Second Baptist Church. People must remember no one at least not be mention of this article have been convicted of any crimes because if so those persons would be in jailed. If Ms. Gilmore has proof she should take to the authority and not try to win the public opinion of a church.

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Anonymous said on Sunday, Jul 4 at 7:20 AM

No one has not done no wrong. I am sure Ms. Gilmore's dirty deeds will come to light. Her dirty deeds concern Second Baptist Church not Cannan or the Credit Union. People must realize there are multiple stories going on and the truth has not been revealed about all of them.

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The Thief is the Pastor said on Saturday, Jul 3 at 8:56 PM

Anonymous...Ms. Gilmore did nothing wrong. The Pastor hired an executive as director of the credit union and Canaan Housing to steal money from the credit union, Canaan and the church to finance their own personal projects. This is a matter that is currently under criminal investigation. The pastor wanted to silence Ms. Gilmore because she was bringing his dirty deeds to the light.

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Laughing To Keep From Crying said on Saturday, Jul 3 at 6:36 PM

Can we just stay focus on the root of this mess...The Pastor!!! He called the police on 66 mostly elderly church members who pay his salary...He needs to be fired for that alone!!! The arrogant nerve of this "Wolf in sheep's clothing."

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Anonymous said on Saturday, Jul 3 at 2:09 PM

Why was LaVon Gilmore removed by the pastor? There must be a reason. I mean did she mismanage funds, mistreat the employees, bounce checks? What? There more to her then whats meets the eye.

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mike c. said on Friday, Jul 2 at 3:36 PM

well, betty keep up the good work! i see you are in the heat of things....like always.....

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It's called Satire said on Thursday, Jul 1 at 8:24 PM

The article was not meant to be humorous...it is satiracle literature; written to expose the foolishness of the pastor and his supporters.

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Wow your not funny.. said on Thursday, Jul 1 at 6:49 PM

I do not see any humor in what happened at Second Baptist Church! Pulizer my a** if you was a real writer they'll make jokes about you! But as it is they don't care!! I think our Lord and Savior will see it through. Not Rev. epps, Not not LaVon Gilmore, and sure in the hell not you!!

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Spell Check said on Thursday, Jul 1 at 3:10 PM

It's obvious from your inability to correctly spell "disgusted" (twice) that you cannot help being ignorant. The information presented is completely true! As more of the TRUTH comes out...so will the handcuffs. It is only a matter of time. Study the evidence presented so that you can be cured of your ignorance. Reading the bible and BELIEVING its instructions will also help with your condition.

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discussted said on Thursday, Jul 1 at 1:52 PM

You're biased and friends to the hate mongers-All of this is speculation and without it, you have no story. The truth will come out,why make up your truth?TheFacts

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blessednluvinit said on Wednesday, Jun 30 at 10:28 PM

Thanks for sharing. Keep us informed.

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